Is "redemption" reserved only for Earthlings that believe in Jesus in a traditional Christian way? Does the "Jesus event" apply to every possible intelligent extraterrestrial civilization? Have there been other Jesus events (under different nmes, forms, circumsatnces) in other worlds?
Jesus as a historical, biological, human self would have been potentially existent in God's Absolute Actuality and metaphysicaly speaking 'before' a creation that took place (and continuously takes place or is renewed) without the need of anything external to God. God is the Absolute and we can also say (from a human mental perspective) it-he-she has "choice" as without it it would be incomplete and perhaps not unlike an intelligent information processing mechanism. In that sense creation without the need for anything external is "ex nihilo" and - without limiting our explanatory ideology to pantheism - its origin is out of God himself' through God's imagination...and without limiting God to that creation (or any number of creations, however vast). In fact, I normally prefer Panentheism (not to be confused with pantheism) as God would always remain infinitely independent from creation while sustaining creation. "Ex Deo" would be valid if we don't limit God to His creation.
Our human selves - in fact all other sentient living selves in the vast, multi-level Cosmos- would have also been in that potential state in God's Mind. However, I think that the Christ Logos was actually existent in God as Intelligence and as uncreated-unconditioned and (along with the other persons of the Trinity or a triune principle variously described albeit not emphasized perhaps in non-Christian traditions) the LOGOS is an inextricable participant of the Trinity in procession. Moreover, the Trinity would be the "Absolute" in relation to the created just as the "Father" would represent our limited understanding of the Absolute not only in relation to the created but also in relation to the Trinity...like the "Nirguna Brahman" of some Indian understandings, the "beyond of the beyond" Absolute Non-Dual "Source." Fritjoff Schuon explains this magistrally.
I think that through the Christ-Logos (as THE universal organizing intelligence or prism through which absolute actuality is manifested in degrees of potential forms) all contingent beings like us (and even Jesus as an historical human person) were actualized from their potential state of existing as if separate in the Mind of God. That actualization would be like a community of small holographic reflections (in God's image) of God's being and all such contingent beings are perhaps actualized through God's imagining of beings existing AS IF they were independent from Him who is the one Being and Source of all dependent, multiple beings. In this scheme, the "Holy Spirit" would be a connecting aspect of the Trinity between the Father and the Christ/Son/Logos; a supremely conscious LOVE bond connecting aspect of the "Trinity" and its immanent energies would also sustain and connect all levels of creation (and us as sentient beings with various degrees of free will) back to the original God Source. That inmanent Spirit would also lend its connecting energies forming a universal matrix probable creating and simultaneously emanating and reflecting the three aspects of the Trinity as three main types of realms. Moreover, "creation"/"emanation"/"reflection" could be multi-tiered and hierarchically organized in each of the three main realms as has also been partially understood in emanationist models.
And, if we think of any form of definition and contingency as ultimately "empty" in the sense of not being able to susteain itself (therefore with an illusory independence), we may find that "creation" and an ever existing, externally empty cosmos may have always existed and, from this alternative way of understanding, make creation compatible -for instance - with the ever existing Buddhist Cosmos. The cabbalist uncreated Ain, Ain Sof, and Ain Sof Aur also seems to correspond to the three in one aspects in procession from the One Absolute (beyond the Trinity) Being. On the other hand, the emphasis in Islam may be in that very Absolute containing all possibility and not on the Trinitarian instruments "He" may express and use.
In an ultimate sense - in harmony with God the Absolute - the same one essence and Truth prevails and quite likely - as a species - we will have to come to terms with that to intelligently contact (on a shared playing field of understanding) with more scientifically and theologically and philosophically advanced civilizations.
But what about "redemption?" Other rational intelligent beings in the Cosmos besides Earth humans may have a need to be "redeemed" in one way or another and to various degrees according to their particular natures and histories and pecualiar degrees of "sin" (sin understood as bad choices distancing them as souls from the Absolute). The expression of that "redemption" or "returning to the fold," so to speak, may take place through other evolved sentient masters of wisdom completely unified back into their timeless state of existence within the Mind of God expressed through the Logos (and metaphysically speaking) 'before' the distinction we call "creation."
All rational beings capable of choice and of error may need some form of reconnecting with Source according to their particular histories, natures and mistakes. However, all particular saving histories/redemption histories may ultimately be unified under the same universal Christ/Logos through which creation ocurred. Many representative masters in the Cosmos truly unified to their origin within the Trinitarian source and to the Absolute may be called to assist any required number of civilizations to reconnect with the One Source according to their bodies, mistakes, histories and natures and they would manifest matching the outer characteristics of those particular rational intelligent beings in particular planets or other kinds of worlds in the "Great Chain of Being" existing within any degree of duality. And they would all be one as representatives of Logos, including the LOVE of the Holy Spirit and a direct connection to the Absolute transcendence of the "Father." Let us not fall into the simplistic trap of offhandedly dismissing what these rather anthropocentric words represent thinking of them as remnants of a bygone, premodern mythical era in which even the science of the natural world and most aspects of social life were controlled by a mistaken theological overreach. Let's not throw the goods with how the goods are presented.
A particular "redeemer" or "savior" associated with a particular planetary history would not need to be crucified again and again in each world. Outcomes would depend on each particular case. However, each redemptive event across space and time or other dimensional parameters of contingent reality would be one with all others, as events stemming from a realm outside of time and contingent distinction. On the same vein, every sinful act (as a fundamental historical mistake) that estranges a people from the Absolute (as it expressed and understood by the Logos), would be universally connected outside of time and contingency in the Cosmos. In this sense what happened on Earth would be universal in scope and what happened in the Cosmos would affect Earth as there ultimate exist (as Steven Greer asserts) "One Universe- One People."
Perhaps in 'spirit' some elements in non-Christian religious ideologies are compatible with some of the ideas exposed here as divine spiritual truths should be universal. But they should be universally understood with a gentleness and kindness transcending doctrinarian jealousy. Wheher they all emphasize the same crucial elements in the same manner or not would not be as relevant as the fact that they may be found in various ways under the same basic spirit. For instance, is the Adi Buddha God with an Essence? Is Sunyatta compatible with negative theological approximations? Is there an expression similar to God's Intelligence (like Logos) in mystical Islam? Isn't LOVE and the Golden rule and the idea of a multi-tiered Cosmos present in one way or another in various spiritual and religious traditions? Is there a triune or ternary principle tyrabnscendent of the Cosmos and which the Cosmos reflects in its organization? Would accepting the LOGOS through a particular expression in form (like Jesus) be the only way to reconnect/redeem any intelligent being or would acting, feeling, dedicating one's life to love and wisdom be the most essential key (an imitation of master Jesus) even if the historical presence of a master like Jesus unified in complete service to God was also extremely important for a civilization?
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Cosmic Theology from a general Christian perspective: Would you baptize an extraterrestrial or is this excessive religious and/or anthropocentric hubris? I understand that Fr. Consolmagno _ Vatican astronomer – opines that there’s a good chance for there to be intelligent life in other planets and if it also is capable of self-reflection, free will and of a free will relationship with God it would make sense in some situations for the Catholic Church to consent in baptizing such an ET being. If we can love and befriend an ET we would also be able to speak about being members along with this ET in God’s family.
Consolmagno responds that he would indeed baptize an ET if the ET requested to be baptized because this would give us a sense that what we have to offer also is of value to the Universe. Love is inclusive.
I think that the notion that if divine incarnation (through Jesus) only took place on Earth for human salvation but not in other worlds we would have a especial situation among the created worlds and that situation stemming from Love would have to be extended by including other beings.
I think we need to extend and deepen these concepts to actualize the discourse under more complex circumstances without necessarily destroying some concepts in their essence. I think that in certain aspects here on Earth we might have a special role in the Cosmos (a reason for which there is a great interest and expectation in relation to Earth humans from both benevolent and manipulative extraterrestrials that would be visiting us). However, in spite of this special role, and in spite of different external forms and histories, we are essentially one people in one cosmos. Thus we must try not to fall in a kind of “religious anthropocentrism” in lieu of the living essence of life we share with other beings, an essence sustained by God.
Jesus Christ’s (Jesus the Christ) intervention on Earth may extend to other civilizations as one great cosmic family under one home: The Cosmos/ Multiverse/ Universe of Universes. However, this could be not because there weren’t other such interventions in other worlds, but because every such intervention may be connected in the cosmos under divine unity. The LOGOS or Divine Cosmic Intelligence may have intervened under other “Jesuses” if other intelligent civilizations suffered an estrangement from their relationship with God and each distinct intervention would be connected in unity in God’s Cosmic Intelligence. They would be equivalent under the same spirit: The LOGOS. To be determined is how much of the cosmos suffered an estrangement from God.
Besides a conventional conservative scientific stance, there is very serious evidence accumulating that we are indeed being visited by other intelligences from the cosmos, apparently semi surreptitiously, with advanced technologies and different interests and intentions. Please carefully study the enormous amount of available evidence about this. Contactees, experiencers, The Disclosure Project whistleblowers, worldwide sightings of metallic looking vehicles displaying seemingly impossible maneuvers under classical parameters, the Cometa Report, France’s Aeronautical & Astronomical Association report. Try the website UFO Evidence.org and consider Father Corrado Balducci’s admonition that we should not dismiss the great number of human witnesses to a possible extraterrestrial presence. This study beyond conventional, conservative play-it-safe pseudo-science (rather than genuine science) is necessary to guide and orient the human family on Earth in a responsible manner if factual and theological opinions are being emitted!
Now in relation with extraterrestrial varieties; let’s think under more complex and inclusive concepts. Based on declarations and conclusions of various serious researchers (even if they are still divided into different emphases or “camps”) including physical contactees and abductees, there’s a pattern showing that the visitations of ET beings is occurs under more sophisticated but nonetheless still benevolent and malevolent/manipulative reasons. However, this “good & evil” scenario should be understood under a more advanced integrative approach of reconciling opposites under a higher understanding. This doesn’t mean that we should emphasize fear or implicitly trust all ET presence as some researchers and some contactees occasionally present. We should grow up and acquire a more evolved metaphysical understanding.
The patterns of interaction show that some ET varieties seem to respect us more as a species and may be acting as protectors (even if they are also observing and learning from our capacities) and some seem others seem to want to forcefully get from us capacities or human aspects which they lack (like a wide range of emotions including empathy, compassion?).
Both broad varieties of ETs seem to care about our capacities or even our unrecognized human potentials which may be more complete than theirs in spite of their different degrees of technological advancement. Also, several of the ET lineages within these overall categories seem to have invested genetically into our biological, psychic and spiritual development and perhaps the “time of harvest” is at hand.. This doesn’t need to detract from God being the true Creator of Man’s original “blueprint” and even that of the “Elohim” varieties that intervened evolving Man on Earth. This does not detract from God giving us a chance through redemption to one day manifest our highest potentials in relation with Him as these potentials could have been spiritually instilled in us even beyond the complex genetic seeding referred to.
By reading the best works on abduction and contactee research we get the impression that some ET varieties seem to act in their favor more aggressively if we give them a subconscious permission to do so while others also respect our conscious permission and gradually prepare us for contacts. Contacts with both general groups might lit up spiritual and metaphysical interests in the human spirit as we get to see glimpses of a reality that surpasses our conventional world.
I think that even if both general ET groups may be more advanced than us in some ways and do overcome the light speed barrier by manipulating space-time through information, consciousness and other means, we cannot logically infer that both are benevolent. We can infer that the rules of engagement are not simplistic, that there may be a balance of power among them and that our response need not be in simplistic terms of “friends vs enemies.”
The world of Non Duality doesn’t necessarily start in a realm beyond the speed of light. There still are realms of duality beyond that speed limit. Nonetheless, as Dr. Steven Greer hopes let’s not respond with typical human xenophobia or in a traditional conflict-ridden mode. We must grow up. Even so, the Love and inclusion we have to share should also be discerning and providing for the respect we essentially deserve.
We might even be healing and transmuting for the ET varieties which renegade from the positive path of kindness and manipulate us because we subconsciously give them permission by subconsciously thinking we are somehow less than them. Moreover, I really think we should attempt to approach, relate, befriend and welcome specially those ET varieties that while attempting to learn from humanity respect us in spite of our failures. Perhaps their technology is based more on peaceful unity consciousness transcending information and logic and in some cases may be superior to most of the abducting ETs. If we do not recognize what is of essential spiritual priority we may fall into an unending cycle of dependency on external forms of power and unsuspectingly or willingly play into the hands of the less respectful ETs.
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